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host and it's a pre-recorded show uh

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this evening however I will be in the

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chat room to answer questions or say hi

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and all that and also wish everyone a

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Happy New Year because that is coming up

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in a few days so I wish uh you all a

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very good 2023 and I want to thank all

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those who support the show and then I

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appreciate every single listener and

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again I hope you have a great 2023 the

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guest tonight kirkji mungle I'm really

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excited to have him on I've watched a

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number of his videos on the theories of

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everything he's got a great YouTube

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channel and podcast interviews all kinds

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of interesting people and a number of

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people in the UFO world and that's

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really why I got a hold of him I saw

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that he had some kind of interest in

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UFOs at least he's looking into them uh

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curiosity and uh he he has uh uh has had

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a number of really great guests and I'm

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going to talk to him a little bit about

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that at and how he got into this and all

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that so without further Ado I will bring

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him in

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welcome to the show Kurt thank you it's

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good to be here thank you Martin yeah

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you know I've had a lot of people uh I

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announced last week that you're going to

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be on this week and I got some email

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people are pretty excited that you're

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coming on so there's a lot of there's

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believe it or not even if you didn't you

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do UFOs there is a crossover of people

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you know watch your channel and you and

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you I saw you have a lot of subscribers

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and a lot of very popular videos that

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you you put out there

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well I hope I don't disappoint those

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people who are looking forward to this

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no you won't no you won't want me to

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disappoint you no not at all so what

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made you decide uh to to actually create

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this the theories of everything or it's

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just called theories of everything uh

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podcast and uh YouTube channel

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so I've always been interested in in the

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physics term theories of everything that

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is how do you how do you unify Quantum

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field Theory and then gravity or general

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relativity I've always been almost

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always been interested in that since

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I've been a kid

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and then when I went to University I

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became more interested in stand-up and

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from stand up so stand-up comedy from

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that I did film

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and then from there when I graduated I

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went into filmmaking rather than into

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math and physics primarily because when

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you're when you have to do math and

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physics at least for myself I despise it

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so my favorite courses were always the

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courses that I wasn't in that I wasn't

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assigned so someone says you have to do

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so and so you have to do this homework

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assignment I I despise that I can't I

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makes me tense it makes me so makes me

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but however if there's a different

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course I'll look up the book for that

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course even though I'm supposed to be

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studying for some other course anyway

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the point is I don't like to do what I'm

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then which is a great

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podcasts interviews and that started to

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take traction and I thought given that

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the pandemic is imminent or occurring

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Donald Hoffman because I hear so many

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people talk about his theories and I've

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heard him yes at a fairly superficial

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level and he's claiming that there's

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mathematics behind it okay well I can

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read that math why don't I read his

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papers and then interview him I did that

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and then that took off and I thought hey

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there's like this Burning passion in me

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for theories of everything why not go

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back into that it's never left me even

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when I was doing films there's an

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element of physics and math in them so I

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interviews not even podcasts on that

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subject and that seemed to take off and

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so it's not as if it was a conscious

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decision at one single point it was the

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gradual change and at some point I

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called it theories of everything whereas

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before it had a different name yeah yeah

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well uh it's it's fascinating and you

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know I've I've had these Curiosities too

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but not at your level you know not at

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such a deep scientific or a mathematical

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level but I I'm still fascinated

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uh so it's I have a curiosity about it

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and I think it's great that you also

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looked into a number of different topics

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and we'll talk about uh them later as

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well uh because you know Consciousness

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is something that you've looked into and

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have done some interviews on but it's

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also something that I get contacted all

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the time and people are saying they

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believe there's a connection between

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UFOs and Consciousness and I I can't

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what that would be or how how that works

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and even when I've had people try to

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explain it to me I still can't

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understand and there uh there's a great

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um who who did the who said the quote

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that what we know is a draw what we know

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is a drop and what we don't know is an

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ocean

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right yeah and I do believe that I

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believe there's so much to learn and we

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just know a little tiny tiny fraction of

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what there is to learn yeah I agree

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yeah so I'm glad you're doing this and

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between UFOs and consciousness

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I could come across I have tried to

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understand that and uh you know some

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people are saying that it's created

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through our Consciousness but then that

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you know like on an individual basis but

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interesting but I don't you know then I

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the mass sightings you know there's so

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many sightings like the Phoenix Lights

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that had thousands of people that saw it

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there's this whole bunch of sightings

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where there's been you know many

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multiples of witnesses so

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that doesn't really you know pan out in

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so yeah but I think it's it's still

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show like I was just listening to Ross

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coldheart and uh he's been on my show

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before I really I really respect him

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liked him liked him he's a journalist in

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trying to be politically correct but

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each person that I interview on the UFO

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topic is interesting in their own way

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and I think you found that true and

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found that as well someone said to me

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seems that that's the case Ross seems to

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be much more of the sober individual but

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they're many of the more public-facing

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act I can give an accurate answer to

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there's there's one one or two yeah that

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were that I call uninteresting but that

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don't mean that they're wrong or that I

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disbelieve them that just means that I

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was that you had Stephen Greer on which

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I kind of I'm not really kind to Stephen

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Greer and and on the show to too kind

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um but uh but you a lot of people uh as

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soon as you had them on and people

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watched that show they said oh you got

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to watch this he really challenged him

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on a lot of things and so uh uh you did

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believe and and challenging him which I

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I think anyone you know that is out

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there claiming

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you know more or less that they know

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what's going on needs to be challenged

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in my opinion because I I personally

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that we have no idea our government has

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no government so I don't believe really

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have a full understanding I saw that

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uh but they may know more than we know

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not my job my goal in any of the podcast

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is never to challenge a guest if that

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happens that just happens it's just

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questions happen questions occur to me

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and I ask them so don't go in thinking

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how can I disprove or approve a person I

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go in thinking how can I understand what

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they're saying and how can I if I if I

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don't understand it if there are gaps in

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my knowledge how can I fill them so with

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Stephen Greer I didn't intend to

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challenge him I also don't think I

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challenged him so I know some people are

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saying that my I think what they're

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referring to is he said

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I could explain the physics of this but

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your audience wouldn't understand that

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and I said okay well I don't think you

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know what show you're on that's why the

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audience is here at least the majority

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of them so please if you have that

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knowledge and then people were getting

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some people like stream minority of

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people are getting upset because they're

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saying you shouldn't have asked them to

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explain physics he's not a physicist

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I didn't say was a physicist I'm sorry

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he was the one who said that he could

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explain so that's what I was doing and

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that was that came across as a challenge

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I didn't intend it secondly there are

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many of his claims that I asked for

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quote-unquote evidence which which

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triggered him but I I take that as a

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fault on mine I need to improve as an

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interviewer because maybe he Maybe not

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maybe my demeanor came across as

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disbelieving and perhaps even

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disparaging and I apologize to that

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Stephen if you're watching and I I

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didn't mean it to be that way so that's

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just my fault I need to work on that

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they were talking about and uh yeah it's

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uh there's a lot of times I've said that

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too you know I've had uh people on the

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show that have made extraordinary claims

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and you know I had a woman

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on the show that claims she was riding

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through the rings of Saturn you know

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um and I basically had to end this show

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early it was a live show

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um I just you know I mean it was just

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going out there a little too far from I

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wasn't I was uncomfortable with it how

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in the softest way I could

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and uh I just said well that's gonna do

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it for the show you know tonight and

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okay so she wasn't offended

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uh I talked to her afterwards and kind

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of smoothed it over a little bit okay so

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she was there was some umbrage there I

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was wondering why I cut the show short

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yeah she was on with a with a guest uh

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uh with a co-guest so anyway but that's

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uh there was only a couple times that

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I've done that in you know over 10 years

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so 11 years now and uh I I guess uh as

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far as this subject goes when it comes

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to UFOs UAP whatever you'd like to call

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them

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do you think that there's uh any one

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Theory over another that these things

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could be or do you think they could be a

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multiple of things that people are

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seeing

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I think that

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I so I don't favor one Theory over the

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others I I find flaws

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like six blemishes if I think about a

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single theory for a minute I just see

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that's what I mentioned that I that's

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what I meant when I said that I have

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questions they occur to me and I don't

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get to cite them all or recite them all

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sorry I don't get to bring them up to

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the guests

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so I just find flaws with virtually

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every interpretation which either means

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that there are flaws which I think is

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the case but it also means that I don't

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understand them or also could mean I

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don't understand them which which I

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think is the case so that's why I need

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to work harder to understanding these

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theories and then thirdly that we don't

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have complete information which I think

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is the one

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fact fact that we can that virtually

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everyone agrees on we don't have

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complete information on this yes

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yes thought that's why it's difficult

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for me to favor a theory over another in

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that in that way though how how would

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you as as a scientist yourself how would

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you

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suggest that people are looking into

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this topic are trying to get data for

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this for for what is occurring I mean

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it's such a so

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yeah yeah given that it's not replicable

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right it doesn't seem like it is however

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there is ce5 that some people claim is

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something that can be verified and

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repeated I don't know but that's the

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claim and many people who aren't even in

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the Stephen Greer Camp claim that so I

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would say that the best way to gather

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data in this is twofold one is to

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perform ce5 near

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some some of the X some of the

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uh

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instruments some of the instruments of

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the Galileo project

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and then secondly apparently there are

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some hot spots

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yes

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so why not launch a private all requires

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billions or a million at least at least

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why not launch a private satellite

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to monitor some of these

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hot spots and live stream it if it could

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be

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that's what I meant that's like the

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easiest that come to mind

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yeah study this scientifically it has to

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be streamed because otherwise you get

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like even for instance the

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the Large Hadron Collider which by the

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way costs multi-million so it's not as

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if this is some project that's unheard

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of there's a president for it even that

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the data is classified sorry that's

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false even that the data is not released

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because there's terabytes terabytes or

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petabytes there's so much data they have

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to compress it they have to use

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algorithms so you don't get to see the

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data

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somehow we need to be able to see the

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data for a private satellite that's

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launched and everyone needs to be able

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to have access to that now I don't know

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how that works in terms of logistics

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but

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conceivably can be done

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yeah there are a few people that are are

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kind of going along that line that are

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trying to

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think what it's called it's it's open

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it's open what do they call like open

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software or whatever it is oh yeah so

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there are people that are trying to put

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things like that together and uh where

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everyone could have not everyone but

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people that are involved in this can

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have some type of equipment equipment at

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their home and like you say if something

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is caught you know that is not

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explainable that can be seen then they

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could live stream it to you know

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basically everyone else that's involved

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and I think it's free for anyone I can't

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remember the name of it people may ask

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me that so if I figure that out I could

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put it in the show notes but uh there is

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that service that is out there as far as

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I know it's already been established

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where people are are setting up all over

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and um you know and

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there are a lot of there are a lot of

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people that just say there's nothing to

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this you know for instance

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um Neil deGrasse Tyson you hear him

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often like just say there's there's

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nothing and he goes on and on about

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there's you know eight billion

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uh cell phones out there why don't we

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have a crystal clear picture and you

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know I mean and then just the military

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is seeing these things and you know all

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like that and so I guess I want to ask

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you uh I considered that close-minded

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and not really scientific to just

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pass it all off like that

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um you know I'm using him as an example

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but uh you know what do you think about

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that don't you think that science should

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be open to at least exploring what all

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these people are seeing

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and there is some data for

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I think it's a form of for I have to be

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careful because I would like to get Neil

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on the podcast

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yeah but okay let me let me burn some

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bridges I think it would be I think it's

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an example of scientific grandstanding I

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don't believe he means what he says I

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think that he says that

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or and people like else speak broadly I

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think people like to say that to give

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off an error that they're rational and

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thus Superior in some Manner and I don't

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think that he believes what he's saying

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because you can ask him a set of

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questions which I don't want to ask here

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because I don't it's it's a force I

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don't want him to well I want to ask it

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to him directly but essentially

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Neil if you believe that

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like what is it precisely that you're

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saying no to firstly Define it secondly

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give the probabilities thirdly let's bet

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on it and I'm willing to put some money

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up and I want I wonder if he is as well

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so if you that's to me the true test of

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a belief are you willing to put some

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money against it and then the odds have

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to be like bookie odds Booker bookie

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yeah like a bookie that is to say

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imagine he says 99 to 1. well then that

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means Neil that if I put up a hundred

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dollars and you put up 9 900 you believe

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this to be a fair bet

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okay so let's do that and if you want to

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make it even more interesting let's do

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it as a percentage of income so that's

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actually more fair so let's do that oh

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yeah you truly believe it's 99 99 200

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99.999 to one then I'm going to put up a

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dollar and you put up a million and you

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think that that's and that should be

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fair so that's what I would say

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yeah and look imagine he doesn't imagine

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he then backpedals and says okay it's 80

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to 20. okay well then it doesn't deserve

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the same derisive attitude 80 to 20

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there are pills that you're not even

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allowed to touch as a pregnant woman

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because it has a one point or zero point

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zero zero two percent chance of causing

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some damage to your fetus so you're not

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even allowed to touch that pill let

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alone swallow it so you're saying that

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you're scorning a whole not generation

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but a whole set of people and I'm being

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snide and so on for a 80 to 20 chance

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there's so okay so there's so much I

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have to say but I'd rather save it for a

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conversation with them

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yeah yeah there's a there's a video out

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there where he says something like

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um

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you need to know

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in science uh when you don't know you

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need to be smart enough to say that you

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don't know which I agree with

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and and then yet he goes on and and

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claims he knows everything about UFOs

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that they're not you know they're uh

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they're not real they're not uh oh he

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makes an argument which I think is again

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a fallacious one or at least it's a

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it's

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look unidentified means unidentified you

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see something you don't all of a sudden

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jump to aliens I see a blur in the sky

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therefore aliens that's not how it works

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though Neil it's not just that you see

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something in the sky and you jump to

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aliens it's that you see something in

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the sky and is correlated with what many

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other people see it's correlated with

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other sorts of experiences it's

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correlated with

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say cattle mutilations it's correlated

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with plenty else and

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if not all correlated it's not as if

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every time you see your voice you find a

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cattle mutilated but I'm saying there's

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correlations so it's not merely you see

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something and thus you jump

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quote-unquote jump to the conclusion

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that is therefore

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aliens and also it's unclear if it's

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just aliens it's not as if that's the

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only Theory going around in these

529
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circles yes right it's not even clear

530
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what alien means doesn't mean time

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traveling people well that's difficult

532
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to verify it's difficult to understand

533
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what that means without breaking well

534
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yes without breaking certain laws of

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physics but even that's dubious because

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you can have closed time like curves and

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general relativity it's just there's

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certain problems with

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with time traveling but then there are

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other the point is

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that that is not simply you see some

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object in the sky and then you

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conclude that it's thus some

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extraterrestrial

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but that's what he's that's what he's

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saying that or I don't want to speak

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about him because I'd rather speak to

548
00:21:23,390 --> 00:21:20,100
him but that's what some people in the

549
00:21:25,310 --> 00:21:23,400
skeptic Community claim is going on and

550
00:21:27,890 --> 00:21:25,320
I don't think that's fair I don't think

551
00:21:29,930 --> 00:21:27,900
it's fair either because there's a lot

552
00:21:33,770 --> 00:21:29,940
of the people I talk to about this

553
00:21:36,590 --> 00:21:33,780
subject are not saying that that's what

554
00:21:38,270 --> 00:21:36,600
it is you know a lot of people say that

555
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,280
they have no idea what it is other than

556
00:21:42,289 --> 00:21:40,320
you know there was something there you

557
00:21:44,990 --> 00:21:42,299
know they're not saying

558
00:21:46,730 --> 00:21:45,000
um you know extraterrestrial I'm I'm I

559
00:21:48,529 --> 00:21:46,740
think that's a very good possibility but

560
00:21:50,690 --> 00:21:48,539
I don't know if you know myself my own

561
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,700
opinion that is a very good possibility

562
00:21:54,890 --> 00:21:52,559
that that's what it is but it could be

563
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:54,900
so many other things you know I mean

564
00:21:58,570 --> 00:21:57,120
like you mentioned the time travel is

565
00:22:01,370 --> 00:21:58,580
one of the theories that are out there

566
00:22:04,730 --> 00:22:01,380
interdimensional is another one

567
00:22:08,270 --> 00:22:04,740
um you know and then uh I had uh the

568
00:22:10,010 --> 00:22:08,280
next CIA officer last week who thinks

569
00:22:13,010 --> 00:22:10,020
that it's something that's always been

570
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,020
here you know before us and uh Still

571
00:22:16,250 --> 00:22:15,360
Still Remains here and around we're the

572
00:22:19,789 --> 00:22:16,260
foreigners

573
00:22:22,970 --> 00:22:19,799
the ones that proceeded or whatever

574
00:22:25,789 --> 00:22:22,980
which uh it's all fat to me it's one of

575
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:25,799
the reasons I keep doing this show I

576
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:27,600
really enjoy doing the show because I

577
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:30,240
get to hear all these ideas and things

578
00:22:35,870 --> 00:22:32,880
and and you know after all these years

579
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:35,880
of doing this and over 500 and well

580
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:39,360
you're I think you're 537 for the guest

581
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:43,200
um I I don't really know 137 guests yeah

582
00:22:49,130 --> 00:22:45,919
I really don't know anymore

583
00:22:52,130 --> 00:22:49,140
at this point you know it's just uh it's

584
00:22:54,049 --> 00:22:52,140
still very exciting to me because

585
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,059
you know I I like to hear about the

586
00:22:58,909 --> 00:22:56,640
actual incidents as well that really

587
00:23:02,210 --> 00:22:58,919
fascinates me a lot you know because

588
00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:02,220
some of them are so bizarre they make

589
00:23:06,049 --> 00:23:05,460
no sense at all which

590
00:23:09,169 --> 00:23:06,059
um

591
00:23:12,409 --> 00:23:09,179
to me almost makes them even stronger

592
00:23:14,990 --> 00:23:12,419
you know like uh pass out just bizarre

593
00:23:17,690 --> 00:23:15,000
things uh because it doesn't sound it

594
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:17,700
doesn't appear like it's anything that

595
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:20,880
um could be made up or I I I'd like to

596
00:23:26,270 --> 00:23:23,760
when I meet someone that

597
00:23:29,090 --> 00:23:26,280
is outside of the UFO world or whatever

598
00:23:31,789 --> 00:23:29,100
and I happen to bring up a topic that

599
00:23:33,230 --> 00:23:31,799
you know it kind of feeds into this and

600
00:23:36,590 --> 00:23:33,240
I say well by the way I do a show on

601
00:23:38,750 --> 00:23:36,600
UFOs oh well let me tell you about this

602
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:38,760
story and they I've heard some just

603
00:23:43,850 --> 00:23:42,000
amazing stories that are so bizarre and

604
00:23:45,950 --> 00:23:43,860
almost don't even make any sense you

605
00:23:47,870 --> 00:23:45,960
know I mean I'll just give a quick

606
00:23:49,549 --> 00:23:47,880
example I mean this is my show I know

607
00:23:52,669 --> 00:23:49,559
I've talked about it before on my show

608
00:23:55,370 --> 00:23:52,679
but I was out in Phoenix at a conference

609
00:23:57,470 --> 00:23:55,380
out there and there was a

610
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:57,480
uh I was walking my dog and there was a

611
00:24:02,270 --> 00:24:00,000
girl out that worked the

612
00:24:04,730 --> 00:24:02,280
um casino that was outside

613
00:24:06,169 --> 00:24:04,740
uh smoking cigarette and she said what's

614
00:24:08,990 --> 00:24:06,179
going on in there and I said well it's a

615
00:24:10,610 --> 00:24:09,000
UFO conference and she goes oh wow geez

616
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:10,620
maybe I should check that out and then

617
00:24:13,789 --> 00:24:12,000
she started telling me the story she

618
00:24:16,850 --> 00:24:13,799
said her and her friend were driving

619
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:16,860
past the Mesa and they saw this like

620
00:24:22,669 --> 00:24:20,400
triangular thing like lift off and kind

621
00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:22,679
of float toward them and then it was

622
00:24:27,049 --> 00:24:25,140
directly over their car and then it

623
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,059
blasted like this bright light down

624
00:24:31,490 --> 00:24:29,760
inside their car and they sped up to

625
00:24:32,930 --> 00:24:31,500
like 100 miles an hour

626
00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:32,940
and

627
00:24:39,289 --> 00:24:36,600
just right over the top of the car the

628
00:24:41,690 --> 00:24:39,299
whole time and so they like went off on

629
00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:41,700
side roads or something like that and

630
00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:43,980
she said and it was gone it just

631
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:46,200
vanished and then she said all of a

632
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:48,000
sudden the biggest owl I've ever seen in

633
00:24:51,710 --> 00:24:49,440
my life was right there in front of the

634
00:24:53,570 --> 00:24:51,720
car now something so weird that doesn't

635
00:24:56,090 --> 00:24:53,580
make any sense

636
00:24:57,950 --> 00:24:56,100
I just think that is just an incredible

637
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:57,960
thing and and other people have talked

638
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:01,679
about owls and here's this this girl I'm

639
00:25:05,450 --> 00:25:03,120
talking to that

640
00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:05,460
has never looked into the UFO topic just

641
00:25:09,649 --> 00:25:07,980
had that one event and there's a lot of

642
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:09,659
there's a lot of interesting stories

643
00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:12,720
like that uh you know that make no sense

644
00:25:19,930 --> 00:25:16,260
I love the ones that make no sense

645
00:25:22,010 --> 00:25:19,940
you know it's just very curious

646
00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:22,020
does she

647
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:23,640
was she able to explain how she could

648
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,159
see it above her car because yeah she

649
00:25:32,450 --> 00:25:29,039
had a wife she had a uh well it came in

650
00:25:34,130 --> 00:25:32,460
from the the she had a sunroof and it

651
00:25:35,870 --> 00:25:34,140
came in that way but she saw it like

652
00:25:38,330 --> 00:25:35,880
first of all she saw it over the they

653
00:25:40,850 --> 00:25:38,340
could see it was over the car itself and

654
00:25:43,370 --> 00:25:40,860
then the light came down and lit it up

655
00:25:45,649 --> 00:25:43,380
like uh like a blast of light the whole

656
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:45,659
car was very very bright inside and it

657
00:25:49,549 --> 00:25:47,760
was turned during the day it wasn't an

658
00:25:53,390 --> 00:25:49,559
evening sighting either

659
00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:53,400
so yeah it's really bizarre yeah again

660
00:25:56,690 --> 00:25:55,260
makes makes no sense but those are the

661
00:25:58,970 --> 00:25:56,700
ones I like

662
00:26:02,330 --> 00:25:58,980
yeah yeah

663
00:26:04,370 --> 00:26:02,340
um so as far as uh you know we're going

664
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:04,380
to talk about other other topics as well

665
00:26:09,710 --> 00:26:07,320
besides UFO topic but what do you think

666
00:26:14,750 --> 00:26:09,720
about the uh us government's involvement

667
00:26:19,130 --> 00:26:16,250
well

668
00:26:21,230 --> 00:26:19,140
it's it's either an admission

669
00:26:25,490 --> 00:26:21,240
or its obfuscation

670
00:26:28,610 --> 00:26:25,500
another one's interesting to me yeah

671
00:26:30,529 --> 00:26:28,620
yeah that that that's uh something I

672
00:26:33,169 --> 00:26:30,539
never really thought of but you know uh

673
00:26:36,049 --> 00:26:33,179
some people have said that in the UFO

674
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,059
world that they think that you know this

675
00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:38,640
is just window dressing and

676
00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:40,500
um and just hoping you know people go

677
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,080
away after they get some answers and not

678
00:26:48,350 --> 00:26:46,080
really uh get too many you know enough

679
00:26:50,029 --> 00:26:48,360
out there and we've been told this a

680
00:26:51,529 --> 00:26:50,039
number of times that you know it's being

681
00:26:54,169 --> 00:26:51,539
looked into and

682
00:26:56,090 --> 00:26:54,179
over the over the decades Project Blue

683
00:26:58,130 --> 00:26:56,100
Book the Condon

684
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,140
um commission or whatever that was

685
00:27:02,990 --> 00:27:00,480
called so there's been a number of times

686
00:27:05,210 --> 00:27:03,000
that there's there feels like there's

687
00:27:07,789 --> 00:27:05,220
going to be some type of Promise of

688
00:27:10,669 --> 00:27:07,799
understanding this but I really don't

689
00:27:12,010 --> 00:27:10,679
think that they understand that's my own

690
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,020
opinion

691
00:27:18,649 --> 00:27:14,880
yeah I get that feeling as well

692
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,659
yeah I mean if if they had to

693
00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:20,880
say to

694
00:27:25,789 --> 00:27:23,100
to the United States you know the the

695
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:25,799
people of the United States like we

696
00:27:31,610 --> 00:27:28,080
really don't know what it is

697
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,620
uh that's flying around in the sky that

698
00:27:36,350 --> 00:27:33,120
people are seeing we have no idea what

699
00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:36,360
it is I think that would be that would

700
00:27:41,090 --> 00:27:38,460
raise a lot of fear in a lot of people

701
00:27:44,269 --> 00:27:41,100
and I don't think they'll ever say that

702
00:27:45,890 --> 00:27:44,279
hmm I don't know I I imagine that the

703
00:27:47,570 --> 00:27:45,900
panic quote-unquote panic would be

704
00:27:48,649 --> 00:27:47,580
momentary for that if they just said

705
00:27:50,269 --> 00:27:48,659
there are

706
00:27:52,430 --> 00:27:50,279
objects in the sky and we don't know

707
00:27:54,289 --> 00:27:52,440
what they are I don't know if that would

708
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,299
cause extreme Panic or if it would be

709
00:27:57,710 --> 00:27:55,919
Panic that would be prolonged I think

710
00:27:59,870 --> 00:27:57,720
that's an excuse unless they have

711
00:28:02,090 --> 00:27:59,880
something else that I don't that it

712
00:28:03,710 --> 00:28:02,100
doesn't occur to me I don't know I don't

713
00:28:05,149 --> 00:28:03,720
buy that as an excuse I don't think it

714
00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:05,159
would happen and I just don't buy it as

715
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:06,299
an excuse

716
00:28:12,049 --> 00:28:07,860
but again

717
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:12,059
I don't know I'm learning and

718
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,679
I don't know

719
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:15,360
I don't buy it

720
00:28:19,850 --> 00:28:17,279
yeah yeah

721
00:28:22,450 --> 00:28:19,860
um so if have you yourself ever had a

722
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:22,460
UFO sighting or anyone you know

723
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:27,360
not that I know of so maybe but

724
00:28:32,269 --> 00:28:30,480
yeah and what about when you have done

725
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:32,279
shows on UFOs have you ever been

726
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,760
contacted by yes you know someone that

727
00:28:39,769 --> 00:28:36,960
said hey look I want to talk to you

728
00:28:44,269 --> 00:28:39,779
about this sighting I had that's that's

729
00:28:46,370 --> 00:28:44,279
I get numerous emails yeah still like

730
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:46,380
even months after a show it's been

731
00:28:50,510 --> 00:28:48,240
months since or it's been one and a half

732
00:28:52,430 --> 00:28:50,520
months since the Stephen Greer and then

733
00:28:55,130 --> 00:28:52,440
months before that since the last UFO

734
00:28:58,669 --> 00:28:55,140
themed show on the on the toe Channel

735
00:29:00,890 --> 00:28:58,679
yeah and I get them maybe every day

736
00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:00,900
huh isn't that something I get I get

737
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,500
quite a few as well and I have a forum

738
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:06,960
on my website that people can fill out

739
00:29:12,169 --> 00:29:10,080
you know anonymously uh actually got

740
00:29:14,269 --> 00:29:12,179
hacked so but I do have a way for people

741
00:29:16,669 --> 00:29:14,279
to to uh post

742
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,679
um on my website uh when they wanna when

743
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:18,240
they want to talk anonymously about

744
00:29:21,409 --> 00:29:19,919
their their sighting just to let them

745
00:29:23,389 --> 00:29:21,419
you know get it out there a lot of

746
00:29:24,649 --> 00:29:23,399
people just want to be heard that's why

747
00:29:27,649 --> 00:29:24,659
you get that's why you're getting the

748
00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:27,659
emails they want to share and get it off

749
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:30,840
their chest or whatever so right I bet

750
00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:32,580
you get some interesting ones come

751
00:29:36,590 --> 00:29:34,020
through

752
00:29:39,710 --> 00:29:36,600
it it's at the plane I can't read them

753
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:39,720
so unfortunately I just I can't read

754
00:29:45,169 --> 00:29:43,200
them so I apologize you just have too

755
00:29:48,169 --> 00:29:45,179
much going on there's way way too much I

756
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,179
can't read my own emails from the people

757
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:51,120
who are working for me like editing

758
00:29:58,250 --> 00:29:54,720
oh wow yeah I use the time at the gym to

759
00:30:00,590 --> 00:29:58,260
go through some unread messages

760
00:30:03,049 --> 00:30:00,600
but that's not enough time

761
00:30:05,210 --> 00:30:03,059
and then by the time the next session

762
00:30:08,210 --> 00:30:05,220
there's so much more piled up so yeah

763
00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:08,220
that's unfortunate yeah I remember I

764
00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:10,860
talked to you are you familiar with who

765
00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:14,460
Seth shostak is at seti he's uh the

766
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:16,860
senior scientist it's the city

767
00:30:21,169 --> 00:30:19,440
um Institute and he told me he gets 4

768
00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:21,179
000 emails a day I don't know if that's

769
00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:23,220
if that's true or not but that's that's

770
00:30:27,649 --> 00:30:25,500
a heck of a lot of emails yeah I doubt

771
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:27,659
that's I doubt it's 4 000 but yeah yeah

772
00:30:32,450 --> 00:30:30,600
maybe including newsletters he signed up

773
00:30:34,970 --> 00:30:32,460
for but yes it could be

774
00:30:36,830 --> 00:30:34,980
yeah I mean I could I could see hundreds

775
00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:36,840
I mean I feel like yeah exactly I get

776
00:30:41,690 --> 00:30:39,480
many dozens myself well you can do a

777
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:41,700
calculation like four thousand times 365

778
00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:43,140
and how many is that is it the same

779
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:44,820
person emailing multiple times Jack

780
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,799
sarfatty if anyone's on his list there

781
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,480
are at least 20 emails a day from Jack

782
00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:50,640
so does that count as 20 emails or one

783
00:30:58,130 --> 00:30:54,120
yeah exactly exactly

784
00:30:59,690 --> 00:30:58,140
um so let's uh I I think I think I kind

785
00:31:02,090 --> 00:30:59,700
of went through everything that I was

786
00:31:03,889 --> 00:31:02,100
thinking about uh I guess I do want to

787
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:03,899
ask you do you ever think that people

788
00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:05,039
will

789
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,320
eventually understand what what it is

790
00:31:11,510 --> 00:31:10,080
that that UFOs uapr

791
00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:11,520
yeah

792
00:31:15,710 --> 00:31:13,740
so I'm in a minority camp but again this

793
00:31:16,909 --> 00:31:15,720
is my present deliberation it tends to

794
00:31:19,370 --> 00:31:16,919
change every

795
00:31:21,529 --> 00:31:19,380
every couple weeks or every day

796
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:21,539
sometimes so I think yes I think we'll

797
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:23,760
understand it but we'll understand it in

798
00:31:27,769 --> 00:31:25,679
the same way that we understand a sperm

799
00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:27,779
whale so we don't know what the heck a

800
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:29,700
sperm whale does with the majority of

801
00:31:32,750 --> 00:31:30,840
its time

802
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:32,760
we don't know how it attacks how it eats

803
00:31:36,769 --> 00:31:35,279
its prey there's so many Mysteries but

804
00:31:38,690 --> 00:31:36,779
but yeah we've

805
00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:38,700
we imagined that they're a mammal we

806
00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:40,020
think they're mammal when we see the

807
00:31:44,029 --> 00:31:41,940
evidence for that and we understand they

808
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:44,039
live in the ocean we understand they're

809
00:31:47,330 --> 00:31:45,240
evolutionary

810
00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:47,340
their their relationship in the

811
00:31:51,769 --> 00:31:49,980
phylogenetic tree and we understand

812
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,779
a bit about what it does eat even though

813
00:31:55,970 --> 00:31:53,760
we don't know how it does eat it

814
00:31:58,130 --> 00:31:55,980
so I imagine it would be like that like

815
00:32:01,010 --> 00:31:58,140
broad Strokes we would understand but as

816
00:32:03,289 --> 00:32:01,020
for specifics much like anything else in

817
00:32:06,529 --> 00:32:03,299
science it's it's it's not going to be

818
00:32:08,090 --> 00:32:06,539
complete nor in the case of the sperm

819
00:32:09,230 --> 00:32:08,100
whale satisfactory at least not to

820
00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:09,240
people who study sperm whales most

821
00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:11,700
people don't care

822
00:32:16,850 --> 00:32:14,820
yeah yeah well you know a lot of people

823
00:32:20,090 --> 00:32:16,860
are saying that we're in some type of

824
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:20,100
disclosure now since 2017.

825
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:24,000
um you know and I I think that's and a

826
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:25,440
lot of people claim we've already it's

827
00:32:31,130 --> 00:32:28,080
already been disclosed but I don't I

828
00:32:33,230 --> 00:32:31,140
don't yeah I don't see I don't know what

829
00:32:34,730 --> 00:32:33,240
they are referring to and I've heard

830
00:32:36,289 --> 00:32:34,740
these I've heard so many so many people

831
00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:36,299
say this but what do you mean what

832
00:32:39,889 --> 00:32:38,100
counts as disclosure to them like yeah

833
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:39,899
do they even say that

834
00:32:44,510 --> 00:32:42,720
I what do they mean we're in the middle

835
00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:44,520
of disclosure what they mean is that

836
00:32:49,850 --> 00:32:46,380
it's a long process and we've started

837
00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:49,860
Step Zero or one okay but if what they

838
00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:51,240
mean is that it's been disclosed like

839
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,440
what more do you want what do you mean

840
00:32:56,570 --> 00:32:54,000
what more do you want do you not do you

841
00:32:59,510 --> 00:32:56,580
have that little disconnect with

842
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,520
with not ufology but just the because

843
00:33:03,230 --> 00:33:00,960
that's a word that's apparently tainted

844
00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:03,240
the people who are interested in UFOs do

845
00:33:08,750 --> 00:33:05,640
you not understand what what they want

846
00:33:11,090 --> 00:33:08,760
like they don't want just some

847
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,100
government saying that there are objects

848
00:33:14,509 --> 00:33:13,200
and we don't know where they're from we

849
00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:14,519
want to know do they know more do they

850
00:33:18,649 --> 00:33:15,960
have access to craft can we see a

851
00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:18,659
picture can we have some admission some

852
00:33:23,450 --> 00:33:21,659
explicit admission it's not I don't know

853
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:23,460
what's meant when they say disclosure

854
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:25,519
has occurred what are they referring to

855
00:33:31,789 --> 00:33:28,440
anything right

856
00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:31,799
yeah agreed so I I don't buy that

857
00:33:38,210 --> 00:33:35,940
I had uh Lou elizondo's been on my show

858
00:33:40,130 --> 00:33:38,220
a few times and one of the things he

859
00:33:43,070 --> 00:33:40,140
said on another podcast and I questioned

860
00:33:46,130 --> 00:33:43,080
to him about it was that we're soon to

861
00:33:49,490 --> 00:33:46,140
see a 23 minute video I don't know where

862
00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:49,500
he came up with that exactly uh but it

863
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,000
was supposed to be with multiple craft

864
00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:53,760
and it's going to be really good you

865
00:33:59,210 --> 00:33:56,820
know evidence or whatever so I've been

866
00:34:02,029 --> 00:33:59,220
waiting for that for almost a year now

867
00:34:03,529 --> 00:34:02,039
yeah 23 minutes coincidentally is the

868
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:03,539
exact time frame of a television show

869
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,039
with commercials so I don't know what

870
00:34:09,470 --> 00:34:07,679
form this this video takes and by the

871
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:09,480
way I I love Lou and I respect Lou that

872
00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:12,320
was no in no way a jab to Lou like I I I

873
00:34:18,349 --> 00:34:14,940
so just so you know I do not take that

874
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,359
as a like I I just I'm just letting you

875
00:34:22,849 --> 00:34:20,159
know maybe he's been told something yeah

876
00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:22,859
I I expect that he's been told that

877
00:34:27,409 --> 00:34:25,740
right right all right well let's uh

878
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,419
there's some other topics I would like

879
00:34:31,010 --> 00:34:28,800
to talk to you about

880
00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:31,020
um and

881
00:34:37,129 --> 00:34:33,240
uh so I guess I would like to ask you

882
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:37,139
what is the most exciting research topic

883
00:34:42,290 --> 00:34:39,060
when it comes to theoretical physics

884
00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:44,750
right

885
00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:48,530
so physics okay so let's get clear as to

886
00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:51,060
what theoretical physics means because

887
00:34:54,169 --> 00:34:52,679
so if there's high energy physics which

888
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:54,179
is what I like which actually doesn't

889
00:34:57,890 --> 00:34:55,379
mean physics

890
00:35:00,170 --> 00:34:57,900
it means a map that's inspired by

891
00:35:01,609 --> 00:35:00,180
physics so

892
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:01,619
for people who are interested there's

893
00:35:05,870 --> 00:35:03,720
something called a poisson bracket you

894
00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:05,880
use that In classical mechanics now if

895
00:35:09,290 --> 00:35:07,560
you just take the poisson bracket and

896
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:09,300
you find some new construction with it

897
00:35:13,130 --> 00:35:10,800
or some new results some new theorem

898
00:35:15,170 --> 00:35:13,140
involving the poisson bracket you can

899
00:35:16,910 --> 00:35:15,180
publish in a journal for classical

900
00:35:18,589 --> 00:35:16,920
mechanics even though it may have

901
00:35:21,230 --> 00:35:18,599
nothing to do with class with classical

902
00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:21,240
mechanics so that's what theoretical

903
00:35:25,849 --> 00:35:23,820
physics is like there's it's just math

904
00:35:28,670 --> 00:35:25,859
inspired by physics

905
00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:28,680
which is why there's such criticism for

906
00:35:32,210 --> 00:35:30,420
string theory because unclear does this

907
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:32,220
have any application it may have in

908
00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:34,079
principle no application

909
00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:36,540
or no

910
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:39,540
or in practice no application because in

911
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,800
order to test it you may create a black

912
00:35:45,290 --> 00:35:42,720
hole for instance

913
00:35:48,589 --> 00:35:45,300
okay so there's that so but I happen to

914
00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:48,599
like that I I I love Theory so that's

915
00:35:53,930 --> 00:35:50,700
just like my bread and butter

916
00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:53,940
if I was to redo it I would go into like

917
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:55,380
for something that's actually physics

918
00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:56,880
what I think is actually physics or what

919
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,500
is actually physics is condensed matter

920
00:36:02,569 --> 00:36:00,480
physics so plenty of like I mentioned

921
00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:02,579
the theoretical side they have exotic

922
00:36:07,130 --> 00:36:04,740
States exotic states of matter that come

923
00:36:08,510 --> 00:36:07,140
about and it turns out that they have a

924
00:36:10,849 --> 00:36:08,520
basis in something called condensed

925
00:36:13,550 --> 00:36:10,859
matter physics so superconductors super

926
00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:13,560
cooling materials

927
00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:16,260
and

928
00:36:29,569 --> 00:36:28,500
of particle physics

929
00:36:32,810 --> 00:36:29,579
um

930
00:36:34,190 --> 00:36:32,820
can that explain the Universe I know

931
00:36:36,290 --> 00:36:34,200
that's kind of a

932
00:36:38,810 --> 00:36:36,300
intense question maybe I asked it wrong

933
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:38,820
asked it wrong well

934
00:36:48,650 --> 00:36:46,210
I'm not trying to try to ask that again

935
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:48,660
yeah how does a standard model of

936
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:56,150
well it doesn't so

937
00:36:59,569 --> 00:36:57,599
okay

938
00:37:01,609 --> 00:36:59,579
it doesn't explain the universe it

939
00:37:03,170 --> 00:37:01,619
explains particle interactions and even

940
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:03,180
there it doesn't explain quote-unquote

941
00:37:09,290 --> 00:37:06,240
it gives some calculations some tools

942
00:37:11,089 --> 00:37:09,300
there's a physicist that I philosopher

943
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,099
of physics who I interviewed named Tim

944
00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:13,200
Maudlin and he said that

945
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,660
every whenever you learn quantum

946
00:37:20,569 --> 00:37:17,280
mechanics sorry whenever you learned

947
00:37:22,609 --> 00:37:20,579
quantum theory in University you don't

948
00:37:24,890 --> 00:37:22,619
learn quantum theory you learn

949
00:37:27,770 --> 00:37:24,900
quantum mechanics so a tool for

950
00:37:30,050 --> 00:37:27,780
calculating what's going on at a

951
00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:30,060
small level so Quant at a subatomic

952
00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:30,900
level

953
00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:33,000
but a theory should have an account of

954
00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:35,400
ontology like what the heck is going on

955
00:37:39,650 --> 00:37:37,859
what is physically happening

956
00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:39,660
standard the standard model is much like

957
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:41,940
the shut up and calculate mindset

958
00:37:46,490 --> 00:37:44,700
and it's it's not the

959
00:37:49,550 --> 00:37:46,500
it doesn't

960
00:37:51,650 --> 00:37:49,560
explain a part of an explanation at

961
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,660
least what we think so is the as

962
00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:53,520
colloquially is to understand what's

963
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,380
going on just because you have

964
00:37:59,810 --> 00:37:57,839
statistical correlations it doesn't give

965
00:38:01,609 --> 00:37:59,820
an account as to what's metaphysically

966
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:01,619
happening so I want to say it explains

967
00:38:05,810 --> 00:38:04,260
the universe and secondly it just

968
00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:05,820
explains if it was to explain anything

969
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,560
it would be particle interactions and

970
00:38:11,390 --> 00:38:09,119
it's not clear how gravity comes about

971
00:38:12,829 --> 00:38:11,400
it's not clear how Consciousness comes

972
00:38:14,569 --> 00:38:12,839
about and I would say that those are

973
00:38:16,010 --> 00:38:14,579
extreme parts of the unit well not

974
00:38:18,410 --> 00:38:16,020
extreme those are crucial parts of the

975
00:38:19,790 --> 00:38:18,420
universe that we would want to know an

976
00:38:21,950 --> 00:38:19,800
account of in order to quote unquote

977
00:38:22,970 --> 00:38:21,960
explain the universe and unless what

978
00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:22,980
they mean is explain the physical

979
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,660
universe

980
00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:26,160
but even there like I mentioned it's

981
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,140
incomplete and virtually every physicist

982
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:30,960
agrees on that hmm

983
00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:34,560
now I know like the gravity is

984
00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:37,740
is really really hard to understand

985
00:38:44,930 --> 00:38:41,640
uh you know how how it works and I know

986
00:38:47,210 --> 00:38:44,940
there's been there was sort of a semi

987
00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:47,220
minor breakthrough in that I don't know

988
00:38:56,089 --> 00:38:52,140
maybe five or ten years ago and uh

989
00:38:58,010 --> 00:38:56,099
and how does that fit in with uh there's

990
00:39:00,170 --> 00:38:58,020
so many questions that I think we have

991
00:39:04,190 --> 00:39:00,180
that we can't really understand in like

992
00:39:06,290 --> 00:39:04,200
black uh dark matter and you know uh

993
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:06,300
black energy what am I saying that Rock

994
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,079
Energy yeah uh so there's just so many

995
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:12,240
things that we don't understand and may

996
00:39:16,670 --> 00:39:13,920
they may have some type of relationship

997
00:39:18,109 --> 00:39:16,680
to each other all three of them

998
00:39:19,370 --> 00:39:18,119
yeah

999
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:19,380
they may

1000
00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:22,800
think that the Mysteries have a

1001
00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:24,300
relationship to one another I don't know

1002
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:27,900
if that's always the case but it is it's

1003
00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:30,800
one route to go

1004
00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:33,180
and uh one of the things that's always

1005
00:39:38,089 --> 00:39:35,700
fascinated me is to the quantum uh the

1006
00:39:40,970 --> 00:39:38,099
entanglement Theory so what are the

1007
00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:40,980
implications of quantum entanglement for

1008
00:39:51,170 --> 00:39:48,829
someone I want to interview Martin is

1009
00:39:53,150 --> 00:39:51,180
someone on this recent experiment at

1010
00:39:55,730 --> 00:39:53,160
Google about

1011
00:39:57,470 --> 00:39:55,740
quantum entanglement and wormholes

1012
00:39:58,970 --> 00:39:57,480
so I don't know I haven't looked into it

1013
00:40:03,890 --> 00:39:58,980
but apparently there's something called

1014
00:40:10,130 --> 00:40:08,210
just a moment epr equals

1015
00:40:12,530 --> 00:40:10,140
oh I signed rolls and bridges right

1016
00:40:14,569 --> 00:40:12,540
right here so er okay Einstein equals

1017
00:40:17,329 --> 00:40:14,579
sorry epr equals ER

1018
00:40:18,530 --> 00:40:17,339
that just means that entanglement equals

1019
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:18,540
a wormhole

1020
00:40:22,430 --> 00:40:20,160
it doesn't exactly mean that there's

1021
00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:22,440
some mathematical formulation

1022
00:40:27,050 --> 00:40:24,540
I don't understand it I don't understand

1023
00:40:29,450 --> 00:40:27,060
the philosophical implications for

1024
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:29,460
quantum entanglement and so something

1025
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:31,920
I'm working on to understand it is a

1026
00:40:36,109 --> 00:40:33,599
book on the interpretations of quantum

1027
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,119
mechanics so I'm

1028
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,119
writing that and that will then I'll

1029
00:40:42,890 --> 00:40:41,280
hopefully have a coherent answer for you

1030
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:42,900
So my answer whenever I don't understand

1031
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,180
something I just tend to write about it

1032
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:47,760
ah interesting do you think there ever

1033
00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:49,920
will be a Theory of Everything

1034
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:58,849
I I see there being

1035
00:41:02,810 --> 00:41:00,960
for what a culture at a certain time

1036
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,820
thinks of as complete

1037
00:41:07,310 --> 00:41:04,800
yes and then I imagine that there will

1038
00:41:10,370 --> 00:41:07,320
be some other piece of evidence that

1039
00:41:12,829 --> 00:41:10,380
comes about that reveals a new Vista so

1040
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,839
for instance in the late 1900s there was

1041
00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:14,880
a theory of everything and it was

1042
00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:16,859
Newtonian mechanics so classical

1043
00:41:20,089 --> 00:41:19,140
mechanics plus statistical mechanics and

1044
00:41:21,950 --> 00:41:20,099
they thought that's all or

1045
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:21,960
electrodynamics too and they thought

1046
00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:23,040
that's all

1047
00:41:26,810 --> 00:41:24,900
it was unclear how to combine them and

1048
00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:26,820
it turns out that you you get special

1049
00:41:30,109 --> 00:41:28,380
relativity and many other effects when

1050
00:41:31,970 --> 00:41:30,119
you combine them

1051
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:31,980
but

1052
00:41:37,730 --> 00:41:36,000
and I imagine that that's

1053
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:37,740
what will be in the state of in the next

1054
00:41:42,349 --> 00:41:40,200
30 Years the toe will be on the horizon

1055
00:41:45,050 --> 00:41:42,359
if not complete but then something new

1056
00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:45,060
will be discovered that shatters all of

1057
00:41:48,910 --> 00:41:46,380
that

1058
00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:48,920
hmm yeah

1059
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:51,180
sorry agree with that part of it sure

1060
00:41:55,370 --> 00:41:54,000
yeah

1061
00:41:57,470 --> 00:41:55,380
and

1062
00:41:59,630 --> 00:41:57,480
so I guess uh

1063
00:42:01,849 --> 00:41:59,640
the the whole thing about entanglement

1064
00:42:03,950 --> 00:42:01,859
is just so fascinating it doesn't

1065
00:42:05,210 --> 00:42:03,960
it doesn't seem like it could even be

1066
00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:05,220
possible

1067
00:42:10,849 --> 00:42:08,520
the interactions across unlimited space

1068
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:10,859
supposedly

1069
00:42:14,329 --> 00:42:12,540
I mean I don't even know how they test

1070
00:42:17,810 --> 00:42:14,339
something like that do you have any idea

1071
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,370
yes so there are ways of

1072
00:42:27,050 --> 00:42:24,720
there are ways of creating a scenario

1073
00:42:29,210 --> 00:42:27,060
that because of a conservation law

1074
00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:29,220
meaning so here's a conservation law

1075
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:35,810
if if this was to disappear

1076
00:42:38,990 --> 00:42:37,680
then the mass in the room changed and

1077
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:39,000
you have to look somewhere else for the

1078
00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:40,320
mass and it turns out that if you look

1079
00:42:44,270 --> 00:42:42,660
hard enough you'll find the mass pop up

1080
00:42:45,950 --> 00:42:44,280
somewhere so there's Mass conservation

1081
00:42:47,450 --> 00:42:45,960
turns out that there's not exactly Mass

1082
00:42:48,829 --> 00:42:47,460
conservation but the point is I'm trying

1083
00:42:52,849 --> 00:42:48,839
to explain what a conservation law is

1084
00:42:55,130 --> 00:42:52,859
that something is conserved across time

1085
00:42:56,690 --> 00:42:55,140
it turns out spin is something that's

1086
00:42:59,569 --> 00:42:56,700
conserved across time so Elementary

1087
00:43:02,030 --> 00:42:59,579
particles Spin and they can spin in two

1088
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:02,040
directions what's called up and what's

1089
00:43:08,270 --> 00:43:05,760
called down so if the total spin in this

1090
00:43:10,250 --> 00:43:08,280
room is zero and we created particles

1091
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,260
and I know for sure one of the particles

1092
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:12,000
has

1093
00:43:23,089 --> 00:43:20,880
cancel in order to equal zero so what

1094
00:43:25,069 --> 00:43:23,099
happens is you create particles that you

1095
00:43:26,990 --> 00:43:25,079
don't observe and through

1096
00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:27,000
some

1097
00:43:34,370 --> 00:43:32,520
have a defined up or down which is

1098
00:43:36,589 --> 00:43:34,380
strange to think about and there are

1099
00:43:38,569 --> 00:43:36,599
some theories that go against this for

1100
00:43:40,190 --> 00:43:38,579
instance Tim Maudlin is a realist and

1101
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:40,200
believes the particles do actually carry

1102
00:43:44,030 --> 00:43:41,760
an up or down but in the standard

1103
00:43:45,770 --> 00:43:44,040
interpretations they don't have up or

1104
00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:45,780
down until they're observed they exist

1105
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:48,420
in an amalgam of them of the they exist

1106
00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:50,220
in an amalgam of up and down a

1107
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:52,140
superposition it's what's called

1108
00:43:56,510 --> 00:43:54,660
superposite I have I don't believe in

1109
00:43:59,390 --> 00:43:56,520
superposition I thought that's so

1110
00:44:00,410 --> 00:43:59,400
strange I'm making such inflammatory

1111
00:44:02,450 --> 00:44:00,420
statements

1112
00:44:03,710 --> 00:44:02,460
but I can explain why I don't believe in

1113
00:44:05,089 --> 00:44:03,720
superposition

1114
00:44:07,550 --> 00:44:05,099
later

1115
00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:07,560
anyway so it's up and down

1116
00:44:10,430 --> 00:44:09,240
let me be clear just in case someone's

1117
00:44:12,349 --> 00:44:10,440
going to comment and I never get to the

1118
00:44:14,089 --> 00:44:12,359
explanation I believe in superposition

1119
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:14,099
as a mathematical tool I don't believe

1120
00:44:18,829 --> 00:44:16,079
that particles aren't indeed in two

1121
00:44:21,250 --> 00:44:18,839
places at once for instance okay so if

1122
00:44:24,170 --> 00:44:21,260
you create a particle or particle pair

1123
00:44:26,329 --> 00:44:24,180
and you know that

1124
00:44:27,890 --> 00:44:26,339
this particle is in some superposition

1125
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,900
of up and down and this one is in a

1126
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:29,280
superposition of up and down you created

1127
00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:30,240
it but you don't know what because

1128
00:44:33,770 --> 00:44:31,740
you're not going to observe it and then

1129
00:44:37,069 --> 00:44:33,780
you wait until you go until one goes off

1130
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:37,079
to Canada where are you in the states

1131
00:44:41,210 --> 00:44:39,599
yes yeah okay so one goes off to Canada

1132
00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:41,220
the other goes to which which city are

1133
00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:44,819
you in well I'm in Rockland Maine okay

1134
00:44:50,809 --> 00:44:47,940
so one goes off to Maine and you can

1135
00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:50,819
and and you can figure out

1136
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:53,220
sorry and you can measure them so every

1137
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,720
time I measure mine I measure mine is up

1138
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:56,400
let's say our measure mine is down it

1139
00:44:59,630 --> 00:44:57,720
doesn't matter I measure it as one

1140
00:45:01,490 --> 00:44:59,640
either up or down the other one is

1141
00:45:03,890 --> 00:45:01,500
either up or down correspondingly to

1142
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:03,900
make it cancel every single time and

1143
00:45:07,309 --> 00:45:04,800
that has to happen because of

1144
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,319
conservation now where does the so

1145
00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:09,119
there's nothing wrong with that but

1146
00:45:12,890 --> 00:45:10,380
where does the faster than light

1147
00:45:15,230 --> 00:45:12,900
communication come from well if I

1148
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:15,240
measure mine I Collapse it I Collapse it

1149
00:45:18,109 --> 00:45:16,800
either to up or to down like

1150
00:45:19,069 --> 00:45:18,119
instantaneously I measure mine a

1151
00:45:22,250 --> 00:45:19,079
candidate I'm measuring the mine in

1152
00:45:24,349 --> 00:45:22,260
Toronto I ask you like you measure yours

1153
00:45:26,809 --> 00:45:24,359
and it turns out it still matches even

1154
00:45:28,970 --> 00:45:26,819
though there was no for the for light to

1155
00:45:30,109 --> 00:45:28,980
have traveled from me to you it didn't

1156
00:45:31,970 --> 00:45:30,119
have enough time it wouldn't have

1157
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:31,980
reached you so it's strange how the heck

1158
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:34,560
if these didn't have something defined

1159
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:37,440
before I defined Mine by looking at it

1160
00:45:41,930 --> 00:45:40,140
it collapsed it collapses up how the

1161
00:45:44,569 --> 00:45:41,940
heck does yours even know to collapse to

1162
00:45:45,790 --> 00:45:44,579
down in order to in order to conserve

1163
00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:45,800
globally

1164
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,839
that's what quantum entanglement is and

1165
00:45:51,650 --> 00:45:50,640
there are ways of formulating that

1166
00:45:54,410 --> 00:45:51,660
experiment

1167
00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:54,420
I don't think they go as far as hundreds

1168
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:55,740
of kilometers but I think they've done

1169
00:46:00,349 --> 00:45:58,079
it it's to I think it's been done to

1170
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:00,359
like 12 kilometers I'm not sure

1171
00:46:08,450 --> 00:46:05,359
yeah even even anything apart

1172
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:08,460
yeah yeah just astonishing now I would

1173
00:46:12,349 --> 00:46:09,839
like to talk a little bit about

1174
00:46:14,270 --> 00:46:12,359
Consciousness because again I as I

1175
00:46:16,849 --> 00:46:14,280
mentioned in the beginning a lot of

1176
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:16,859
people talk about that relationship with

1177
00:46:21,890 --> 00:46:19,680
UFOs which I really don't understand but

1178
00:46:32,450 --> 00:46:21,900
what what is the relationship between

1179
00:46:42,530 --> 00:46:37,069
so

1180
00:46:44,750 --> 00:46:42,540
question that comes that depends on if

1181
00:46:47,210 --> 00:46:44,760
one is a materialist or an idealist and

1182
00:46:49,069 --> 00:46:47,220
maybe some other IST or some other ISM

1183
00:46:50,329 --> 00:46:49,079
some of the materialist sense they would

1184
00:46:52,490 --> 00:46:50,339
say that hey there's just some

1185
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,500
interactions of particles some Dynamics

1186
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,720
and that creates Consciousness and then

1187
00:46:58,609 --> 00:46:57,119
in the idealist Consciousness is

1188
00:47:01,550 --> 00:46:58,619
fundamental sense they would say no no

1189
00:47:03,170 --> 00:47:01,560
the brain is an element of consciousness

1190
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,180
and you're somehow interacting with

1191
00:47:07,069 --> 00:47:05,280
Consciousness so it's Consciousness it's

1192
00:47:09,290 --> 00:47:07,079
not as if the brain produces

1193
00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:09,300
Consciousness the brain is what

1194
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,220
Consciousness looks like from another

1195
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,200
perspective

1196
00:47:17,569 --> 00:47:15,359
I I don't know I don't know how to

1197
00:47:21,230 --> 00:47:17,579
answer such a question

1198
00:47:24,290 --> 00:47:21,240
yeah yeah well I also wondered

1199
00:47:27,290 --> 00:47:24,300
what type of beings have Consciousness

1200
00:47:30,970 --> 00:47:27,300
and what what don't in other words does

1201
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:30,980
it does an ant have consciousness

1202
00:47:37,069 --> 00:47:33,960
uh you know I mean I don't know how that

1203
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,079
is measured or anything yeah

1204
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:39,359
yeah I don't know and this is an age-old

1205
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:42,960
question it's unclear it's

1206
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:44,940
yeah it's extreme so I can lead you down

1207
00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:47,760
some dark places if you if you seriously

1208
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:49,740
contend with that question

1209
00:47:55,790 --> 00:47:52,560
and and basically how does it

1210
00:47:58,730 --> 00:47:55,800
how would Consciousness arise from a

1211
00:48:03,370 --> 00:48:00,530
you're asking like the hardest questions

1212
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:03,380
man well these are questions

1213
00:48:07,849 --> 00:48:06,000
these are some philosophers have been

1214
00:48:10,010 --> 00:48:07,859
asking this question for for decades and

1215
00:48:12,349 --> 00:48:10,020
then maybe even some rudimentary version

1216
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,359
of it for Millennia so I don't I don't

1217
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:15,119
know how to answer that yeah yeah and by

1218
00:48:20,210 --> 00:48:17,280
the way this is uh you you're gonna

1219
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:20,220
probably laugh when you hear this

1220
00:48:26,690 --> 00:48:23,119
um I used AI for some of these questions

1221
00:48:28,970 --> 00:48:26,700
sure and uh there's a new chat out there

1222
00:48:32,450 --> 00:48:28,980
I'm sure you've probably heard of it

1223
00:48:35,150 --> 00:48:32,460
um yeah so I use that in asking for help

1224
00:48:36,650 --> 00:48:35,160
with these questions and yeah they

1225
00:48:39,470 --> 00:48:36,660
really posts some some difficult

1226
00:48:41,450 --> 00:48:39,480
questions I think and here's another one

1227
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:41,460
how does Consciousness shape our

1228
00:48:50,329 --> 00:48:47,930
I I don't know I I would say that it's

1229
00:48:54,109 --> 00:48:50,339
not it doesn't shape our perception of

1230
00:48:58,750 --> 00:48:54,119
reality it allows us to perceive

1231
00:49:02,569 --> 00:48:58,760
so hmm so so an

1232
00:49:02,579 --> 00:49:06,950
computers

1233
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:08,089
so what's the relationship between

1234
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,839
computers and computation well computers

1235
00:49:18,589 --> 00:49:12,240
allow computation to occur computers

1236
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:22,370
hmm

1237
00:49:22,380 --> 00:49:25,010
okay

1238
00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:26,750
yeah I don't I don't know if that's

1239
00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:28,200
satisfactory and so the act of

1240
00:49:35,690 --> 00:49:33,780
perceiving is is consciousness then the

1241
00:49:37,069 --> 00:49:35,700
it's

1242
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,079
yeah I don't know how to explain it I'm

1243
00:49:42,050 --> 00:49:39,359
sorry Martin yeah no no this is all this

1244
00:49:44,750 --> 00:49:42,060
is really interesting uh and this AI

1245
00:49:46,190 --> 00:49:44,760
this AI is a great yeah it's the AIS uh

1246
00:49:48,050 --> 00:49:46,200
and I'm going to ask a question about

1247
00:49:50,329 --> 00:49:48,060
that in a minute but

1248
00:49:51,890 --> 00:49:50,339
um and so I also asked what's a really

1249
00:49:53,450 --> 00:49:51,900
good question to ask about free will

1250
00:49:55,970 --> 00:49:53,460
because that's another one that's really

1251
00:49:56,990 --> 00:49:55,980
an interesting topic that I I think is

1252
00:50:00,170 --> 00:49:57,000
anyway

1253
00:50:02,990 --> 00:50:00,180
and is Free Will an illusion or is it a

1254
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:05,270
I think Free Will is a word like

1255
00:50:10,910 --> 00:50:08,400
Consciousness where it's unclear how to

1256
00:50:12,829 --> 00:50:10,920
explicitly Define it but it does have a

1257
00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:12,839
meaning we mean something when we say it

1258
00:50:17,930 --> 00:50:14,760
it just seems that our

1259
00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:17,940
rational attempts to investigate it

1260
00:50:22,130 --> 00:50:20,280
are like us trying to grab water and it

1261
00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:22,140
just falls through our hands and it

1262
00:50:26,030 --> 00:50:24,839
means that it's easy to conclude that

1263
00:50:27,890 --> 00:50:26,040
it's an illusion I think that's the

1264
00:50:30,290 --> 00:50:27,900
easiest route to take

1265
00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:30,300
I think that it's The Logical route to

1266
00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:32,760
take the well that's even that's

1267
00:50:36,589 --> 00:50:34,140
difficult to say but I don't think the

1268
00:50:39,050 --> 00:50:36,599
rationality and logic is all

1269
00:50:41,630 --> 00:50:39,060
so I think that we're trying to capture

1270
00:50:43,069 --> 00:50:41,640
something that's extremely elusive

1271
00:50:45,170 --> 00:50:43,079
and

1272
00:50:46,609 --> 00:50:45,180
it allows people like Daniel Dennett to

1273
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:46,619
conclude that even Consciousness is an

1274
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,400
illusion so I don't know I don't think I

1275
00:50:54,410 --> 00:50:52,319
think that it has meaning and we're not

1276
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:54,420
properly characterizing it we're trying

1277
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:56,880
to with our words and our words can't

1278
00:51:02,329 --> 00:50:59,760
Define it currently so there's two

1279
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,339
options to that one is the non-dual

1280
00:51:08,290 --> 00:51:05,040
route of just not speaking about it this

1281
00:51:11,630 --> 00:51:08,300
just escapes just experience it

1282
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:11,640
the other route is that we need a more

1283
00:51:19,069 --> 00:51:15,599
explicated language and I tend to take

1284
00:51:21,290 --> 00:51:19,079
both routes I'm exploring both

1285
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:21,300
much of these investigations into tolls

1286
00:51:24,770 --> 00:51:23,520
into theories of everything

1287
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:24,780
they

1288
00:51:29,690 --> 00:51:27,359
uh

1289
00:51:31,250 --> 00:51:29,700
an inference that's easy to draw is that

1290
00:51:32,809 --> 00:51:31,260
we should just forget about speaking

1291
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:32,819
about it just live your life go in the

1292
00:51:35,650 --> 00:51:33,960
mountains

1293
00:51:38,290 --> 00:51:35,660
well

1294
00:51:41,569 --> 00:51:38,300
and be endearing

1295
00:51:44,089 --> 00:51:41,579
and I think that's partly true I also

1296
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:44,099
think it's true that there are many

1297
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:45,720
several several problems in fact

1298
00:51:49,730 --> 00:51:47,040
virtually every problem we can think of

1299
00:51:50,990 --> 00:51:49,740
that Millennia ago couldn't be solved

1300
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:51,000
because we didn't have the language for

1301
00:51:55,250 --> 00:51:53,280
it and now we can I think that it's just

1302
00:51:56,450 --> 00:51:55,260
part of part of the problem by the way

1303
00:52:05,510 --> 00:51:56,460
is

1304
00:52:07,790 --> 00:52:05,520
so now that Chalmers has made explicit

1305
00:52:09,890 --> 00:52:07,800
seemingly the hard problem of

1306
00:52:11,210 --> 00:52:09,900
Consciousness which is I think 20 years

1307
00:52:13,250 --> 00:52:11,220
old now or so

1308
00:52:15,650 --> 00:52:13,260
maybe 25

1309
00:52:17,329 --> 00:52:15,660
I imagine that Consciousness the hard

1310
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:17,339
problem of consciousness

1311
00:52:23,089 --> 00:52:19,440
I imagine that the hard problem of

1312
00:52:26,329 --> 00:52:23,099
Consciousness will be solved in 25 years

1313
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,339
and I also and now this is my present

1314
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,559
deliberation again so I don't like to

1315
00:52:34,910 --> 00:52:30,240
State opinions because

1316
00:52:36,829 --> 00:52:34,920
I am fickle and my mind is Mercurial it

1317
00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:36,839
changes fairly rapidly

1318
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,780
so either way I think my current

1319
00:52:43,549 --> 00:52:41,760
deliberation is that

1320
00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:43,559
Consciousness the heart problem will be

1321
00:52:47,390 --> 00:52:45,300
solved in 25 years and it will be so

1322
00:52:50,569 --> 00:52:47,400
trivial and we'll look back and think

1323
00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:50,579
that was obvious and furthermore there

1324
00:52:54,410 --> 00:52:52,440
will be some new problem right now

1325
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:54,420
that's The Fad like oh my gosh you can't

1326
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:56,640
just you can't go into a philosophical

1327
00:53:01,730 --> 00:52:58,319
discussion without mentioning the hard

1328
00:53:03,950 --> 00:53:01,740
problem of Consciousness so but go back

1329
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:03,960
100 years that wasn't even there

1330
00:53:07,849 --> 00:53:06,000
I imagine that something new will occur

1331
00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:07,859
that just blows our mind and we can't

1332
00:53:11,809 --> 00:53:09,540
imagine how could you ever derive this

1333
00:53:13,790 --> 00:53:11,819
from this like the odds from the is

1334
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:13,800
perhaps or maybe even more fundamental

1335
00:53:18,770 --> 00:53:15,599
and then our understanding of what

1336
00:53:21,770 --> 00:53:18,780
fundamental is Will constantly change

1337
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:21,780
yeah excellent well I I think we'll

1338
00:53:27,890 --> 00:53:24,480
we'll we we're done our show basically

1339
00:53:30,170 --> 00:53:27,900
and I want to thank you so much for uh

1340
00:53:31,790 --> 00:53:30,180
for being here and uh you know I did

1341
00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:31,800
have one let's see if you can answer

1342
00:53:35,930 --> 00:53:33,240
this real quickly because we only have

1343
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:35,940
about 30 seconds here uh do you think

1344
00:53:42,109 --> 00:53:39,599
that AI is a dangerous thing for our

1345
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:42,119
future I mean maybe I think it may be

1346
00:53:46,130 --> 00:53:43,920
the most dangerous

1347
00:53:48,049 --> 00:53:46,140
but I don't know again yeah I don't know

1348
00:53:49,490 --> 00:53:48,059
and I think that some of the people who

1349
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,500
are working on AI I think they should

1350
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:51,599
examine their motivations and examine

1351
00:53:56,270 --> 00:53:53,040
what they're doing some of the people at

1352
00:54:00,530 --> 00:53:56,280
open AI who are creating chat GPT and

1353
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,540
gpt4 and the mid-journey 3 and Dolly

1354
00:54:06,349 --> 00:54:03,119
four or Dolly three I think that they

1355
00:54:08,030 --> 00:54:06,359
don't think about the consequences of

1356
00:54:09,710 --> 00:54:08,040
what they're doing same with Google same

1357
00:54:11,390 --> 00:54:09,720
with Microsoft I think they're all

1358
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,400
Engineers or the majority of them are

1359
00:54:14,930 --> 00:54:13,440
engineers and it's akin to people who

1360
00:54:16,910 --> 00:54:14,940
are in the Manhattan Project who are

1361
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:16,920
physicists who are so jazzed about the

1362
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physics super Jazz it's fun me and you

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were having extreme amount of fun

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speaking about this it's even more fun

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to investigate it with a pen and a paper

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and do research

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I think that they don't realize that

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what they're creating they're going to

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burn their hands just like Einstein said

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I would have burned my hands had I know

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the consequences of what I had signed

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off to yeah speaking about the nuclear

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bomb right so yeah so a question is like

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well for these open AI people sure what

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you're doing has a huge

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there's the possibility for extreme

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public benefit extreme

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but is that worse is that worth the

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possibility for extreme destruction

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perhaps even civilization annihilation

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I think that they need to

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I think each person needs to think about

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is what I'm doing ethical and or

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possibly can it be turned into something

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unethical

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yeah and I think that it's terrible it's

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a terrible place to be where someone

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says well look I'm not going to quit my

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job at Google because one it pays well

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in a second if I don't do it someone

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else will it reminds me of this movie I

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forget what it was but it has Nicolas

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Cage and he was a weapons dealer I

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believe and he said hey I may as well

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deal weapons because if I don't someone

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else is going to take my position I

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think that's abdicating your

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your culpability I think it's extremely

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dangerous and I think you should allow

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someone else to do it even if you I

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think you should keep your hands clean

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keep your own hands clean don't worry

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that someone else is going to dirty

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their hands right right hey Kurt thank

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you so much it's been a real pleasure

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it's been a pleasure man all right I'll

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talk to you later

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all right

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week with Dean aliotto and happy New

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Year to you all

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foreign